Dwarkesh Podcast

Sarah Paine – Why Russia Lost the Cold War

12/19/2025

The Cowboy, The Wall, and The Great Man Myth.

"Since we seem to be in a second Cold War, maybe it's a good time to revisit the last one to see why it turned out the way it did."

The popular American narrative is simple, clean, and cinematic: Ronald Reagan single-handedly defeated the Soviet Union. He was the man of words and deeds, the one who looked at the Brandenburg Gate and demanded, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

He gave the "Evil Empire" speech to the National Association of Evangelicals in Orlando—and as the speaker notes with a touch of wit, "they skipped Disneyland to hear it."

But was it really just "Go Ronnie"? Or was Reagan simply the closer in a game that had been played by four different presidents and a series of massive internal Soviet failures? We’re going on a tour of the counterarguments.

The Symmetrical Trap

The CIA thought Russia was spending 20% of its GNP on defense. After the dust settled, the real numbers were "economy-busting." We're talking 40%, 50%, maybe even 70%.

Comparison of defense spending during peak tensions.

Voices of the Vanquished

VALENTIN FALLON
"The American strategy of our exhaustion in the arms race... reached a new dimension of crisis. It plunged the Soviet economy into a permanent crisis."
GEORGIE ARBATOV
"It is quite clear that the Afghan war was most advantageous for the United States. We got our Vietnam because the United States was busy funding the other side."
SHEVARDNADZE
"What do we, who have virtually the highest infant mortality rate in the world, take pride in? Who do you wish to be? A country which is feared or a country which is respected?"

"Regimes planted by bayonets do not take root."

— Ronald Reagan, before Parliament

Beyond the 'Great Man' Theory

If Reagan was the closer, Nixon and Carter were the ones who loaded the bases.

  • The China Card: Nixon and Mao ganged up on the Soviets. Imagine if the US had to militarize borders with Canada and Mexico the way Russia had to with China. It was bankrupting.
  • The Helsinki Accords: Ford and Carter accidentally laid a trap. The Soviets wanted border recognition; the West insisted on human rights clauses. The Soviets signed, never intending to follow through, but dissidents suddenly had a legal hammer to smash the communist facade.

"The inability of the Soviet Union to maintain a strong defensive capability led to its demise. War termination was the only thing it could do."

The Silent Strategy: Submarines

01

Deterrence Logic

You must have a reliable second-strike capability. If they nuke you, you nuke them back from the deep.

02

The Aggressive Hunt

Under Carter and Reagan, the US Navy started targeting Soviet subs in their home waters. The Soviets had a heart attack.

03

Technological Defeat

Marshal Akhromeyev told his hosts: "You know where our submarines are, but we don't know where yours are. It's destabilizing."

Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.

We’ve discussed the murder—what the United States tried to do to the Soviet Union. Now, let’s talk about the suicide: what the Soviets did to themselves.

The "Democratic Contagion"

During the Cold War, the West lived in fear of the Domino Theory—the idea that if one country fell to communism, the rest would follow. It turns out the theory didn’t apply to capitalism; it applied to communism.

Once the democratic contagion hit one Warsaw block country, they fell like dominoes. In Poland, the government was in a panic. The standard of living had shrunk by 3%, they were out of cash, and they tried to raise food prices. Bad move.

"You’re an itty bitty country, so when you make mistakes, they’ll be itty bitty mistakes. But if we make them, they’ll be big."
— A Soviet Advisor to the Poles, 1989

June 4, 1989

"None of the Above"

Solidarity won every single seat they could compete for. The Communist party was so unpopular that for the remaining seats, voters chose the box marked "None of the Above." The legitimacy of the Party was wrecked in a single afternoon.

The Oil Trap

55%

The share of the Soviet budget accounted for by oil exports when prices tanked.

World GDP Share: The Crash

The Culture of the Lie

"Everyone’s lying to each other. You lie about what you have, you lie about what you need. By the time the data hits the top, it's garbage."

Internal Collapse

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Seething ethnic rebellions happening simultaneously by 1990.

The "Oops" Moment

Gunther Schabowski is at a news conference. He gets asked a question he wasn't prepared for: "When do these new travel regulations go into effect?"

He wings it. He says: "Immediately."

The crowds gathered. The border guards, realizing "discretion was the better part of valor," opened the gates. 1% of the entire population emigrated within a month. There was no going back.

"We hadn't a clue that opening the wall was the beginning of the end... Better luck next time."

— Gunther Schabowski (summarized)

The Fatal Paradox

"The most dangerous moment for a bad government is when it begins to reform."

— Alexis de Tocqueville

The Doughnut Empire & The Architect of His Own Demise

"Gorbachev thought history only moved in one direction: toward Communism. He didn't realize Eastern Europe was about to pull a U-turn straight back to Capitalism."

The Concept

The Inverted Empire

Unlike traditional empires, the Soviet 'colonies' were more educated and wealthier than the 'mother country.' It was a drain, not a siphon.

False Assumption #1

"They'll give me credit for liberating them."

Gorbachev thought he’d be the hero. He forgot that for the Poles, the Czechs, and the Hungarians, the clock didn't start in 1985—it started with Stalin’s tanks.

False Assumption #2

The "Coercive" Symmetry Fallacy.

He believed if the Warsaw Pact vanished, NATO would too. He didn't grasp the difference between a voluntary alliance and a forced one. One dissolves; the other endures.

The Personnel Check

"Gorbachev was no Deng Xiaoping."

— Vladimir Lukin, America Expert

Visualization: The "Inverted Empire" dynamic where colonies outperformed the center.

"The big bozo was playing with plastic bags, stuck one on his head, and committed suicide by mistake."

— On the Soviet leadership's tactical stupidity

Sins of Commission

"The things Gorbachev actually did: removing Article 6, breaking the Communist monopoly, trusting the West's 'continental outlook'."

"Poor life choice: Going on vacation while Bush and Kohl were fast-tracking German unification."

Sins of Omission (The Red Army)

"TTD: Timely Tank Deployments."

The argument from the hardliners: If Gorbachev had just pulled a 'Tiananmen Square' and crushed the demonstrators with tanks, the Party would still be in power today.

Final Strike: Boris Yeltsin didn't just let it happen; he accelerated it. By signing the Belivezha Accords with Ukraine and Belarus, he didn't just open the door—he took the hinges off. It was "suicide on purpose."

The Price Tag of Unity

"The West barely won. We should feel very fortunate that it did."

Context: The German Question

The Genetics of Collapse

Was the Soviet collapse inevitable? There are two ways to look at the wreckage. On one hand, you have the "rocket scientist view"—Yuri Ryzhkov argued the system was simply rotten to the core. It was a genetic failure. A political formation designed to disintegrate.

But the alternative is more chilling: The West barely won. It took the confluence of every single factor—internal, ideological, economic, military—to end the Cold War on Western terms. Remove one card from that house, and you get a different, perhaps darker, outcome.

Speaker Notes

"The Russians who invented the thing, at the end of the day, didn't want it either."

The Resume of Giants

George Bush Sr.

The Ultimate Understudy

  • • WWII Navy Pilot & War Hero
  • • Yale honors grad / Oil Millionaire
  • • Ambassador to the UN & PRC
  • • Director of the CIA
  • • 8 years as Reagan’s VP

Helmut Kohl

The Bismarck of the Bonn Republic

  • • Ph.D. in History & Political Science
  • • Chairman of the CDU for 25 years
  • • Longest serving Chancellor since Bismarck
  • • Strategy: Buy East Germany "one tourist at a time"

The "Checkbook" Diplomacy

01

Exploit the Debt

East Germany's Eric Honecker was living off borrowed time and West German marks. To avoid a 30% drop in living standards, he needed tourist cash. Kohl obliged—with strings attached.

02

Bribe the Gatekeepers

Kohl pays 500 million Deutsche Marks to Hungary just to open the Austrian border. He buys the exit route for East Germans before the wall even falls.

03

The Currency Coup

While Soviets thought in tanks, Kohl thought in Marks. By putting East Germany on the Deutsche Mark, he controlled the decisions before the Russians realized the game was over.

The Escalation of Aid

Gorbachev was desperate. As the Soviet economy unraveled with double-digit shrinkage, every diplomatic concession had a literal price tag.

  • Step 1: 100M Food/Meat Aid
  • Step 2: 5 Billion for Unification
  • Step 3: 15 Billion for NATO Membership

The Cliffhanger

"You want those soldiers focused on buying furniture, not running a military coup."

But as the ink was drying on the unification treaty in September 1990, a new fire started in the desert. Saddam Hussein, broke and desperate after the Iran war, looked at Kuwait and saw a solution to his debts.

The Gulf War: A Cold War Endgame Side Quest

While Saddam was playing for oil fields, the superpowers were playing for the soul of Europe.

Saddam Hussein thought he had found the ultimate "get rich quick" scheme. Take Kuwait, control the oil, become the global swing producer. Simple, right? Except he missed the memo: The Cold War was over.

Gorbachev, desperate for cash and drowning in debt, was ready to play ball with Bush Senior. But there were strings attached. Iraq wasn't just a rogue state; it was a massive debtor to a broke Soviet Union. We’re talking thirteen billion dollars in outstanding IOUs.

The Debt Burden (Iraq to USSR)

"Imagine that bombing going on if there were Western human shields going down with every target. Russia took that card right off the table."

The Red Lines

  • ✓ No Regime Change in Iraq
  • ✓ Preserve Territorial Integrity
  • ✓ Funnel everything through the UN
  • ✓ Keep US ground troops OUT of Baghdad

Margaret Thatcher Just Plain Lost

While Bush was juggling the UN and the USSR, Margaret Thatcher and Francois Mitterrand were internally screaming. Why? German Unification.

"The Germans will get in peace what Hitler couldn’t get in war... Germany will be the Japan of Europe, and worse than Japan."

Thatcher actually wanted to keep the Red Army in Germany just to keep them in check. Imagine that. Dealing with Putin today if the Red Army had never left Germany. Bush and Kohl saw the bigger picture and worked around the "Iron Lady."

A Masterclass in Restraint

"I'm not gonna beat my chest and dance on the Berlin Wall."

Bush Senior knew the score. Humiliate Gorbachev, and the hardliners rise tomorrow. By playing it cool, they bought the West 20 years. Two decades for the "cement to set" in Eastern Europe—integrating them militarily and economically before a new Russian strongman could arrive.

The Cost of Humility

Bush never got credit. He lost his second term. He watched the Nobel Committee hand the prize to the man who "lost" the war, Mikhail Gorbachev.

"When you're thinking about why Russia lost... I hope you'll come up with a more complicated answer than 'Ronnie did it'."
The Nobel Prize irony: Winners lose elections, and losers get the prizes.
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The Central Planning Paradox

How does a monstrously inefficient, brutal colonial empire survive for seventy-four years?

The question isn't why the Soviet Union collapsed—it's how it lasted so long in the first place. We are looking at a system that was centrally planned to the point of absurdity, yet it persisted.

"It takes years as a parent to bring up a little person... It takes seconds to assassinate them. It’s the asymmetry between construction and destruction."

A Conversation on Inefficiency

Speaker 1

If you just think about how central planning works... it's shocking they had notable growth rates after World War II. People tell you how much steel you can make, which company gets the cotton...

Speaker 0

Well, first of all, it’s a war economy. They defined greatness through military power. And the statistics? They're a mess. They claimed to be the greatest TV producer in the world. Why? Because they made the heaviest TVs in the world.

Speaker 0

"I’m serious. They would spontaneously combust. Not the normal thing a TV should do for you, burn down the apartment building."

Speaker 1

So producing inefficient steel and then cutting it down to size is both being double-counted towards GDP. It’s a total waste.

The Intel Gap

The CIA estimated military spending at 20%. Post-Cold War data showed it was at least 40%—maybe 60%.

Source: Post-Soviet archival corrections vs. CIA historical estimates.

The Plastics Revolution

"In the late 80s, you had to bring your own glass jar to the store so someone could take a filthy ladle and fill it with sour cream. That is the cost of missing the plastics revolution."

The Computer Age

"They missed the chips. Reagan won the military race because we put chips in our missiles, and they just couldn't do that."

The Oil Lifeline

"From '73 to '85, 80% of hard currency was just oil. It sustained the Red Army and subsidized Eastern Europe until the price hit the floor in 1985."

The Absent Lemonade Stand

Why did Poland and Czechoslovakia recover while Russia stagnated? It’s deep. Eastern Europe was always tied to the West—Copernicus was from Poland; it was a center of the Enlightenment.

When the wall fell, Polish leaders were asking the Bush administration for banking expertise, legal system advice, and private sector consulting. They knew what they didn't know.

In Russia, there was a total dearth of commercial knowledge. Under the Czars, it was a riff on the Mongol Empire: take a cut from trade, sell basic commodities, maintain a massive land army to stop invasions.

In the West, kids learn economics from lemonade stands and newspaper routes. In the Soviet Union, that entire layer of human experience was erased for three generations.

Gorbachev gave away political power before he fixed the economic problems. China watched that and said: Never.

Moscow, 1988: The Gelatinous Potato and the VCR Economy

In 1988, Moscow was the center of everything, yet it smelled of rotten meat. Sarah Payne recounts a year where survival wasn't about economics—it was about hustle.

"I would talk English for an hour just to get one good meal a week. That was the only way."

The desperation was palpable. The elite didn't want ideology; they wanted a VCR. Sarah describes using her limited foreign currency to buy an overpriced player at a diplomatic shop—a move that secured her "all kinds of meals" for the rest of the year. It was a world where a fugitive in a Western movie running past a fruit stand was a more unbelievable spectacle to a Russian than the plot of the movie itself.

The Sensory Audit

  • 01. The Meat Section: "The smell just about knocked you out... really disgusting."
  • 02. The Market: Buying bones for borscht because actual meat was unaffordable.
  • 03. The Produce: "Rotten spots on potatoes felt gelatinous. You’d cut them out and wonder what nutrients were left."

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Total unique items in a Soviet supermarket in 1988.

"I don’t think that compares favorably to a candy rack as you leave a 7-Eleven."

The Raisa Moment

"A welfare mother on food stamps in the US had better buying power than the wife of the General Secretary."

The Import Map

Apples? Hungary.
Canned Tomatoes? Romania.
Caramel? Poland.
Sugar Beets? Russia.

The Efficiency Trap

"Central control works better if you have a smaller amount of items to optimize... but you can't compare a rotten potato to an Idaho one just by the pound."

The Math of the Collapse

Visualizing the late-80s budget deficit and the brutal impact of the oil bust.

The Consumption Fallacy

Russia was making huge oil revenues between '73 and '85, but they saved none of it. They bought Western grain. They consumed. They didn't invest. When the price fell, they were naked.

The Siberian Front

The Sino-Soviet split forced the USSR to station a million soldiers on the border. That garrison alone cost 2% of their total GDP. A diplomatic nightmare they couldn't afford to wake up from.

Final Takeaway

"Politicians think of the next election. Statesmen think of the next generation."

Sarah Payne issues a warning for the Second Cold War: If we dump our allies, ignore our institutions, and burn down our intellectual capital, we become a "cooperative adversary." We become the bozo putting a plastic bag on our own head while the world watches.

End of Series Recorded in Moscow & Beyond

"The rhymes are awful, but we don't have to do it that way."

— Sarah Payne

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